Rome Total War 2

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JAZO kaže:

Ogromni je vremenski period koji zahvataju pa zbog toga su se vjerovatno odlucili za 1turn=1godina.

Ma to je sasvim ok. Al sto onda komplikuju sad i sa godisnjim dobima. Kao da ima zao onoga sto su pravili za Shogun 2 pa sad po svaku cenu da uguraju i ovde gde nema mesta za tako nesto.

[player1]

Postoji razlog zasto se insistira na 1turn/godina.

Tempo igre je previse brz i za 1 turn/godina, a kamoli dva turna po godini.

U starom RomeTW regularno se desavalo da rimljani pobede igru u veoma ranoj godini (u odnosu na istorijski razvoj), i da skoro uopste ne vide "imperijalne" jedinice, zato jer su iste bile zakljucane na odredjen datum.

Normalna partija nema sanse da traje tih 250-300 poteza, koliko je poteza u igri sa 1turn/godina kampanjom, a kamoli oko 500 poteza sto neki prizeljkuju.


P.S.
Licno, ne bi me cudilo da samo pokazuju leto ili zimu za svaku parnu ili neparnu godnu.
Nije "realisticno", ali bi sasvim lepo radilo posao kao gameplay mehanika.

[JAZO]

Maksimalno 20 jedinica u armiji.Pomorske jedinice isto zahtjevaju admirala

Hi all,

For today’s update I will be going into more depth on two areas of the campaign map gameplay. Provinces and regions and how armies and generals work.

Provinces and regions

For Rome II we wanted to make an epic scale campaign map, and as part of that we wanted to have more regions than any previous Total War game. Rome II has 183 land regions, the most of any Total War game and almost double the original. To accommodate this we have overhauled how regions work, and also introduced provinces.

A region is a single settlement and the area around it. You can construct buildings, raise armies, recruit agents and manage happiness and taxes for each one. The old resource buildings that existed outside of settlements in Empire, Napoleon and Shogun 2 no longer exist, those resources are now part of settlements.

Provinces are groupings of between 2 and 4 regions. The regions in a province can be owned by individual factions, and can be taken as normal. If you own the whole province then you can pass edicts which provide various bonuses for the province. All the construction options for a province can be managed from a single screen and happiness is also on a province level for a faction. So if you own a province of 3 regions and it has unhappiness problems, the lowest happiness region will rebel but it will be based on the happiness of the province as a whole.

One settlement in each province is the province capital. This has more building slots and has a city siege map when assaulted. The other settlements are minor settlements, their core building reflecting the region speciality and providing bonuses based on that. When a minor settlement is attacked, a normal land battle takes place with the settlement off in the distance.

Both province capitals and minor settlements have garrisons that will defend them if they are attacked.

We’ve made the change that not all settlements provide siege battles due to the sheer number of regions, as we don’t want the game turning into a siege fest. Even in Shogun 2, with its geography that is very good at making battles happen away from settlements, the majority of battles were sieges. With the more open geography of Europe we wanted to make sure that players don’t end up fighting endless siege battles. We also want the siege battles you do fight to be bigger and better than ever before, so making them less frequent but more interesting helps make that happen.

Armies and generals

First things first, you cannot have an army without a general and there is a limit to the number of armies you can have at any one time. This limit is tied into how much power a faction has, this works similar to the fame system in Shogun 2.
This limit is being put in place for a variety of reasons. A big one is to make battles more decisive, by having the number of armies limited losing one is a much bigger deal and means, much as you would expect, that a single battle can have a large impact on a war. The introduction of army traditions also makes them more valuable as each can be made unique and having a limit makes each army more precious. It also adds more choices in how you use them, as you must balance how many armies you have attacking and defending to provide enough protection to your nation as well as being able to go on the offensive, and changing that balance depending on the situation at any given moment in a campaign.

You raise an army from a settlement, and then you have to appoint a general to lead it. You then recruit units to it by selecting the army. When recruiting your army will enter muster mode and it cannot move in this stance.

As mentioned in the most recent Rally Point, your army can be named and you can change its emblem. It can also gain traditions as it fights and gets experience.

Generals still have skills and traits. New skills can be chosen as a General gains experience. Traits are given based on what a General does.

As there are no longer resource slots outside of settlements, armies now have a raid stance. This reduces their upkeep. If they are in enemy territory it also gives some money as income, if it is done in friendly territory it additionally causes unhappiness.

Because the number of armies is limited and the automatic garrisons can only protect against so much, the new forced march stance is a great way to move around the campaign map quickly. It gives a large bonus to movement distance, but the army cannot attack that turn and if it is attacked the units in it will suffer a morale penalty.

If an army loses its General a new one can be appointed straight away.


I hope this update answers some of your questions about the campaign, and explains how a lot of the new campaign map features tie into each other to provide a very different and better gameplay experience compared to any previous Total War game.
Cheers,
Jack

[M1L0SH]

Sve je ok narocito organizacija armija ali mi se ne svidja onaj deo oko opsada. Prakticno forsiraju borbe na otvorenom nije da je to lose ali mi se ne svidja na koji nacin se to radi. Manja naselja se zauzimaju bez opsade, bezveze samo glavni grad provincija ima odbranu i zauzima se opsadom. Kazu izbacili su resurse van gradova i ima vise nego ikad provincija. Malo lazu jer manja naselja prakticno su isto sto i resursi iz empire, napoleon, shogun. A mnogo regija su varka jer samo glavni grad provincije funkcionise kao pravi grad u igri.

Ja bi to ovako regije imaju gradove ali manje sa slabijom odbranom, drveni zidovi, jarak itd. Glavni gradovi provincija imaju jacu odbranu velike kamene zidove, kule itd. I sve se stavlja pod opsadu kako treba.
Raiding bi trebao da ima jaci efekat i da natera protivnika da izadje iz grada i bori se na otvorenom.

Takodje se nadam da se katapulti sada sklapaju samo za opsade i da ne mogu da se koriste u otvorenoj borbi kao artiljerija.

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Meni je ovaj sistem skroz ok. Udjes na protivnikovu provinciju sa svojom armijom. Upalis raiding i seljakas se po njegovim regijama. Mozda ti se usprotivi jedna grupica iz jedne regije, unistih ih i svi ostali pobegnu u zamak u glavnom gradu provincije. Onda ti posaljes glavni deo vojske da radi siege a par jedinica da nastave raiding dok izgladnjujes glavni grad. Onda ih vratis i napadnes glavni grad, odradis siege i osvojio si provinciju.

Ili, napadnes provinciju, oni sakupe svu vojsku iz te provincije za kopnenu bitku. Pobedis, izgubis 30-40% armije. Uzmes 90% sto ti je ostalo da zavrsis siege protiv smesnog garnizona a sa ostalih 10% osvojis ostale regione te provincije i opet ih vratis za siege bitku.

Meni se to cini bolje nego da moras da odgiras 1 land bitku, pa 3 male siege bitke pa jos jednu veliku siege bitku.

[The mighty Boo]

Samo da poprave vestacku inteligenciju. Koja ne postoji. U medieval 2 sam tamanio citave armije sa par jedinica konjice (strelci).
Ako kompjuter ne zna da igra igru, onda igra bas nesto i nije zabavna.

[JAZO]

The mighty Boo kaže:

Samo da poprave vestacku inteligenciju. Koja ne postoji. U medieval 2 sam tamanio citave armije sa par jedinica konjice (strelci).
Ako kompjuter ne zna da igra igru, onda igra bas nesto i nije zabavna.

Onda imas multiplayer,mada vjerovatno ne bi kupio original
Malo o mapama u singeplayer

Q:
I mean if the strategical map is it dynamically linked with the battlefields maps like in Rome ...Like where I place my army and meet the enemy will be represented by the actual terrain I see on the map, like if I place my army on a hill , with sea on left , mountain on right , a wood behind , the road ahead , will this be represented also. On the battlefield? So dynamic battlefields for every point the army is placed in the strategical map.Or instead...Like in Shogun II does not matter where I have my army , if it is in region x the map for field will always be the same , no matter if my army is near the coast, on the hill , in the woods or else... So static battlefields for each strategical map region.


A:
Shogun 2 worked on a template system for battlemaps on the campaign, where there would be a number of templates tied to a region and whichever one you were nearest would be used for the battlefield. There were arond 800 of these and they were all done to mirror the geography of the campaign. For Rome II there is basically a giant template map for the entire campaign so the terrain will be picked based on where you fight. Siege maps are also no longer presets, the cities themselves have been made as tiles so the outfield and surrounding terrain will match the campaign map.

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Sa Steam pre-order pagea:

Heroes of Sparta – [Unique to Sparta]
Embodying the spirit of Thermopylae, the Heroes Of Sparta bear their spears and shields with fierce pride and unrivalled mastery.

Znaci bice hero jedinica i bice specificni za svaku naciju.

[JAZO]

perablenta kaže:

Sa Steam pre-order pagea:

Heroes of Sparta – [Unique to Sparta]
Embodying the spirit of Thermopylae, the Heroes Of Sparta bear their spears and shields with fierce pride and unrivalled mastery.

Znaci bice hero jedinica i bice specificni za svaku naciju.

Rekoh ja

[jaomile]

Ali ne mora da znaci da je ovo isti sistem kao u Shogun 2 gdje je hero jedinica imala 3 puta manje vojnika od standardne. Mislim da ce biti da svaka nacija ima elitnu jedinicu kao sto je Sacred Band za Kartaginu, Praetorain Cohort za Rim ili Bersekers za Germane.

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[Nestor]

Cele nedelje nista novo, nije valjda da se do onog razzed gejmpleja nista druge nece pojaviti.

[JAZO]

Nestor kaže:

Cele nedelje nista novo, nije valjda da se do onog razzed gejmpleja nista druge nece pojaviti.

Kako nije bilo ovaj novi dev FAQ sto sam postavio

[divad96]

evo ga rally poin 13 !!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcBZfYatj_Y

[Nestor]

divad96 kaže:

evo ga rally poin 13 !!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcBZfYatj_Y

Staro

[The mighty Boo]

JAZO kaže:

Onda imas multiplayer,mada vjerovatno ne bi kupio original
Malo o mapama u singeplayer

Preferiram da vestacka inteligencija radi kako treba za pocetak, a multiplejer je za mene samo dodatak.

Lenji su. Decenija je prosla i oni jos nisu uspeli da isprogramiraju kompetentan AI a uvek izbacuju istu igru, kojoj samo malo ispeglaju grafiku. Kada bi pola truda koji uloze na vizuelnu komponentu ulozili na sam gejmplej igre bi bile tri puta bolje.
Ako Blizzard, Firaxis i Relic mogu da naprave igre koje kompjuter ume da igra ne znam zasto oni ne bi mogli.

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The mighty Boo kaže:

Ako Blizzard, Firaxis i Relic mogu da naprave igre koje kompjuter ume da igra ne znam zasto oni ne bi mogli.

LoL wot? Sta radi njihov AI nego sto vara. I mislim da nije ni blizu da poredis igru koja ima paralelno real time i turn based sistem sa igrama koje imaju samo jedan od njih.

U total war-u ti je lak AI zato sto u bici nema resursa da sa njima vara. A ako mislis da moze military AI da se napravi da potuce nekog coveka, grdno se varas. Ni da odes na West Point ne bi tako nesto nasao.

Komp moze da vodi u brzini reagovanja, brzini analize i pregleda bitke, ali o kreativnosti nema govora. Sta je AI nego skup vec unapred zadatih what if komandi. Cim uradis nesto sto nije pokriveno, AI postaje pametan ko noga od stolice.

[The mighty Boo]

perablenta kaže:

LoL wot? Sta radi njihov AI nego sto vara. I mislim da nije ni blizu da poredis igru koja ima paralelno real time i turn based sistem sa igrama koje imaju samo jedan od njih.

U total war-u ti je lak AI zato sto u bici nema resursa da sa njima vara. A ako mislis da moze military AI da se napravi da potuce nekog coveka, grdno se varas. Ni da odes na West Point ne bi tako nesto nasao.

Komp moze da vodi u brzini reagovanja, brzini analize i pregleda bitke, ali o kreativnosti nema govora. Sta je AI nego skup vec unapred zadatih what if komandi. Cim uradis nesto sto nije pokriveno, AI postaje pametan ko noga od stolice.

Sta tu nije ni blizu? Jedna AI rutina za potezni deo, druga za real time. Kompjuter ne ume ni da komponuje armije, sto je krajnje jednostavno isprogramirati u formi najobicnijeg spiska.
U Alfa Kentauriju AI ne vara na nivoima Librarian i nizim. I solidno je kompetentan - a AC je daleko slozenija igra od TW. Ume cak i da odreaguje na promenu stanja u igri, tipa da bira poboljsanja jedinica prema tome sa cim ga napadas.
Dakle moguce je isprogramirati potezni deo da daje solidan izazov.

Sa realnim vremenom je teze, ali i posle 10 godina bi napravili neki koji nije potpuni retard da su se uopste bavili time.
Jedinice u Warcraftu III su umele da rade osnovni kiting, imale prioritete u napadu i slicno. I sve to na normal nivou tezine.
Total war nema apsolutno nista od toga, samo setaju levo desno kao pijani. Opsade jos i boze pomozi ali bitke na polju su uvek bile tragedija.

Svaki AI je moguce relativno brzo provaliti, nekada brze a nekada krace, ali TW bitke u sustini nemaju nikakav AI. Svaku bitku moze i pocetnik da pretvori u klanicu.

[JAZO]

^
Zbog toga u strategijama postoji multiplayer kao i u svakoj drugoj igri.Ne znam zasto ljudi bjeze od toga

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The mighty Boo kaže:

U Alfa Kentauriju AI ne vara na nivoima Librarian i nizim. I solidno je kompetentan - a AC je daleko slozenija igra od TW. Ume cak i da odreaguje na promenu stanja u igri, tipa da bira poboljsanja jedinica prema tome sa cim ga napadas.

I ti tu ne vidis exploit? Napadnes ga sa tri odvojene jedinice specijalizovane za jedan tip. Komp se prebaci na odbranu od tih jedinica i ti ga napadnes sa armijom sastavljenom od 20 jedinica suprotnog tipa. Game over.

The mighty Boo kaže:

Jedinice u Warcraftu III su umele da rade osnovni kiting, imale prioritete u napadu i slicno. I sve to na normal nivou tezine.

Ja ne znam kako si ti igrao WCIII i kada, ali u moje vreme se u skolu dolazilo i pitalo koliko si Insana pobedio sinoc u jednom timu? 2,3,4,5 ?
Toliko o tom AI.

[JAZO]

Nove informacije ove nedelje i na E3 sledece nedelje nadam se necemu znacajnom