Rome Total War 2

[JAZO]

Pa ovo je samo prezentacija i neke stvari su podesene tako a i ujedno je alpha

[<S2N><Mefisto>]

Leonida kaže:

Od ovih ''youtubera'' jedino koga vredi gledati i od koga mozda nesto i mozete nauciti je Heir of Carthage.

Inace, raduje me sto ce MP biti potpuno drugacije iskustvo u poredjenju sa Shogun 2. Ne vidim kako je fer prema nekome ko je kasnije krenuo da igra MP kada moze da koristi samo yari ashigaru i bow ashigaru jedinice protiv full samurai armije . Mada, MP mi je uvek bila sporedna stvar u Total War igrama, vazno mi je da ne uprskaju singleplayer...

Ma kakav Hair of kartage on je zanimljiv za gledanje sto se tice skilla prosecan je igrac....pa ja sam ga odvalio...i to ne jedan put...gledaj pointmana zato sto u njegovim klipovima imas finale turnira gde igraju najaci igaci sem toga imas sve,kako da budzis jedince taktiku itd...toga slabo ima kod Haira...on je prijatan za gledanje i to je sve...subovan sam na sve te kanale godinama pa znam...

[JAZO]

Samo mi nije jasno,oce li biti ovako stalno istorijskih licnosti u svakom periodu,ili su oni ovo samo za prezentaciju napravili?


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[pentraksil]

JAZO kaže:

Samo mi nije jasno,oce li biti ovako stalno istorijskih licnosti u svakom periodu,ili su oni ovo samo za prezentaciju napravili?


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Ukoliko budemo imali mogucnost da biramo razdoblje u kojem cemo igrati verovatno cemo u startu imati istorijske licnosti, a sve odatle pa na dalje ce biti nasumice generisani....verovatno ce tu opet biti i Event-i, tipa pojavi se Boudica, Vercingetorix itd. u zavisnosti od nacije sa kojom igras.

[<S2N><Mefisto>]

pentraksil kaže:

Ukoliko budemo imali mogucnost da biramo razdoblje u kojem cemo igrati verovatno cemo u startu imati istorijske licnosti, a sve odatle pa na dalje ce biti nasumice generisani....verovatno ce tu opet biti i Event-i, tipa pojavi se Boudica, Vercingetorix itd. u zavisnosti od nacije sa kojom igras.

Odbrojavanje je pocelo

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown...al+War+Rome+II


It is 71 days, 8 hours, 57 minutes, 42 seconds

[jaomile]

Znam da je ovo mala i vecini nebitna vijest ali opet cu je postaviti jer danas vidim ovo prvi put. Na Steam-u se moze vidjeti kako ce ikona izgledati:

[JAZO]

Utisci sa Rezzed

So, fellow Total War fans - I have returned! From Rezzed! And I bring news! I was there from 10 to 6, and while I didn't spend my entire day playing Total War, I spent a significant portion either playing or chatting to the dev team. And my god, what an experience.

Do not mistake me. I will not be fawning over the game here, merely attempting to describe to you as best I can the things I saw and felt today! So, let's to it!


Roman Victory!

In my final playthrough I was able to land 3 legionary cohorts behind the enemy position and take out their artillery (more on that soon) and some scythed chariots and traps to boot. At the same time, my skirmishers and cavalry cautiously advanced and were able to drive off the enemies ambush units. I then took my 6 Evocati legionary cohorts, elephants and Legatus, and slowly marched them up the left flank of the hill, cleared by my amphibious units. The Egyptian AI was loath to abandon their well prepared position and so I was able to catch it on the hop as it attempted to readjust.

Now, the Egyptian infantry is rubbish. To put this in context, I had some extremely good Roman heavy infantry and the Egyptians had a lot of light units and their own heavy infantry was not the best in the world. However, the strength of the Egyptian army is in disrupting the Romans with their special units. Whenever I attempted to advance directly up the hill, through elephants, scythed chariots, balls of fire and camel charges, I took heavy casualties. While I could still take the hill I was in no shape to take on the reinforcements, so that capture point offers a way out for less confident players. By advancing carefully up the steep left side of the hill and with many of the Egyptian special units taken care of by the amphibious units, I was in much better nick to take on the first army.

Having walked my units up and around the Egyptian flank, I was then able to effectively take on the Egyptian units. They didn't last long against the legions of Rome! With my Auxilliary cavalry causing havoc on the right flank, my velites panicking the remaining elephants and my legionarys cutting a path through the Egyptian infantry, Ptolemy fled. I still had 5 cohorts of Evocati, some cavalry, elephants, my velites and, of course, Julius Caesar with which to take on the reinforcements. They attempted to bulldoze through my line to get to the capture point and I punished them in kind. By the end of the slaughter, I still had my 5 cohorts and 3 elephants, the hilltop and plenty of corpses.

Blood.y good stuff!

The Egyptian fleet, which had make short work of my own artillery ships which I used as a distraction to enable the melee troops to get behind the enemy position, proceeded to bug out as I looked upon a vista of fleeing enemies, dead foes and conquered lands. That's a good feeling guys, and you will enjoy it come release day!

[JAZO]

Part 2

campaign same as in developer session

according to what i was told, you can select whether or not to limit armies to 20 or 40 units!

If you select 20 then the same system in fots applies, whereby a reinforcing army can occasionally give you 40 units to commaand. This option has been left in because, for some players, 40 units is simply overwhelming. But for us hardcore ancient commanders then we can have 40 units in every army! Cool beans, no?

Multiplayer

again, very tight-lipped or kept out of the loop, i was unable to pry anymore juicy facts from ca. Except for one - there will be no return of the ffa mp battles. Two sides to a battle, with up to 4 players per side. No 8 way cluster-f*cks!

The battle

now, i played the battle of the nile several times over and from both sides. I spent most of my time playing as rome, although when i did play as egypt it was a decidedly easy affair. Of course, any human on a hill outnumbering the ai is going to have an easy day of it.

The romans though? That is one tough slog to take the hill!

I will do my best to cover things as and when i remember them! I will also update the thread as i go along, with extra information and answers to your questions.

The capture point - if you take this point, and knock out the first egyptian army, then this battle is a doddle. Do it fast enough and the reinforcing egyptians simply won't have time to even get there to contest it. I took my little brother along and he did this on his first go and won the battle. I consider myself above such petty tactics, and consequently had my ass handed to me several times before finally getting it right!

Artillery

right, i know this is a concern so let me set your mind at ease. In the battle i played the egyptian army had 3 units or "ballistae", not the giant ballistae we saw in the e3 demo. When they fired they were not sniper accurate. If they hit, which was at best one shot in 8 or 10, they sent men flying but not the entire unit. Each direct hit only managed to kill a handful of men, i think 8 was the most i saw. One shot killed two, although it put around 20 men on their asses!

Charge animations

when i followed a cohort charging into some egyptian light infantry with the unit cam i witnessed some very cool charging animations! I won't list every single one i saw (which wasn't many - i had a battle to win!), although one consisted of a legionary jumping into the enemy front line while covering himself, mid-air, with his shield. Needless to say, he smashed his opposite man backwards, and overall the charges feel very weighty and brutal.

As a side note, i was talking to one of the battle ai designers and he was telling me how they had done a lot of work on incorporating the system of mass into the combat. I definitely saw this at play, with those charges really pushing men backwards, combat animations doing the same and cavalry charges having some real penetrating power.

And the cavalry....

Felt very fluid, not ridiculously responsive but also not clunky. One thing i noticed, i ordered one cavalry unit to charge into the back of some archers. The side of the unit did bump into some other egyptian infantry before they got to the archers, but instead of the whole unit stopping to attack the infantry instead, the main part of the unit followed it's orders and continued on for some good old fashioned archer slaughter!

Naval combat

the navies! As the romans, i rather abandoned any attempt to take control of the water! However, from the times i did attempt a futile resistance, i got a sense of the epic nature of the naval combat in rome 2! The boarding mechanic feels very fluid, ramming as well. You saw some of it in the livestream, but nothing compares to ordering your men to ram and board the enemy ship, then realising that their artillery has just set the middle of your ship on fire and men are jumping over the sides!

The landing mechanic was also very smooth. If you have a ship selected you can mouse over the shore and see some ghostly halos indicating places you can beach your ships and disembark. Your men will then leap over the sides before forming up. The melee unit had two ships, so when i lost one ship to ramming on the way in only 80 men were available to land!

Unit abilities

i saw plenty of abilities on offer, from various units. The old "kill elephants" ability is back, in case they run amok (which they do with distressing regularity).

I saw the "attacking testudo" ability for legionary cohorts, where they enter a slightly closer formation with shield overhead and to the front. The unit can still march relatively quickly like this, although you do become every artilleryman's dream target.

There was one ability, called something to do with whips, which increased a units attack and morale for a small time.

Pike phalanx ability, for pike phalanxes, obviously...

Group functions and formations

now this was a feature that, while i didn't actually use it, i did spend a while having a look at and reading through the available information. If you want to group units, you now have four options. You can:

- group selection
simply group units to quickly select a bunch for orders

-group formation
group units so that when you move them they maintain the formation you have placed the entire group in.

- group ai attack
group a bunch of units and left them loose on an enemy unit or army you select. The units will continue to attack these enemies until ordered otherwise.

-group ai defend
group a bunch of units and give them a location to defend. The units will continue to defend this location until you issue more orders to them.

Also, if you select a bunch of units, there are various formations you can put your army into! I can't list them all, as i can't remember, but some of them included:

- triple acies
the classic roman manipular legion formation

- double acies
a two-lined version of the above

- single line/double line
single/double lines of units

- column
forms your men up in a column with archers at the front, melee troops in the center and cavalry to the rear

- river defense
forms your men up into a line, with infantry to the front and center, with archers and light troops on the flanks and any cavalry in a reserve to the rear

[JAZO]

Part 3. Sve vise mi se cini da ce biti AI najbolji dosad,vidi se da su masu posla odradili povodom toga

The invisible wall from RTW is gone. As I said, the Egyptian infantry is not the best while the Roman's is! The Roman infantry can push through some of the pikes in the charge, although other men were impaled or stopped dead. Generally though, I wasn't allowing any one unit to take a phalanx on head to head, so I was able to flank and roll up the pike line. Once they lose that frontal advantage those low-quality pikemen are dead!

The combat speed felt good! Possibly a touch too fast for my own liking, but nowhere near as fast as Shogun 2. Remember, there was a massive difference in the quality of infantry, so that was definitely a big factor in how long melee's lasted. Although, when the elephants got involved then those things take A LOT of killing! I used the unit cam on a elephant charge ...... wow!

Some legionary cohorts did break off before I hoped they would, but then they had been pumelled by artillery, archers and an elephant charge in the flank! Generally, units ran when I thought they would. The Egyptian infantry ran pretty quickly once I closed with them, but like I said, the quality of their men was questionable!

Confirmed, no demo before release

From a full on downhill chariot charge, the infantry probably lost 20 to 30, although the big thing was that their formation was broken up and their morale took a hit. Also, don't mix your cavalry up with scythed chariots! It doesn't end well! So long as you can stop the chariots though, they die really fast, just like RTW!

An elephant charge is a serious matter. Those gits were probably the most dangerous unit the Egyptians had, and they brought loads! The charge itself won't kill too many people (except the poor sods who get trampled) but it will knock a large number of men down. And if they decide to stick around? Any unit on it's own is dead! They will rout fast, unsurprisingly!

I must note though! The velites were a god-send! They can panic elehpants very quickly and I was able to slaughter a unit of scythed chariots when they charged my velites on level ground. Don't waste your javelinmen!

[JAZO]

Part 4
Rome II's tutorial is based in Italy and features events leading up to the starting date of the main campaign -that's all I can say.

If you don't like what you've seen on the gameplay videos then good news because the game is far, far better than it looks in those.

I played the demo about ten times, lost as Rome the first time I played, won on the second attempt, won as The Egyptians on the first attempt and then after that concentrated more on the details of the battles rather than trying to win and this is what I noticed :-

Land battles

Forget what you've seen about the speed, the units don't rush around like madmen, the battle averages around ten minutes but on one that I played dead seriously it lasted over 30 minutes with me micro-managing every single thing my army did, It's true that units are routing a bit too easily at the moment but I get the impression that that is deliberate so that people can get through the demo nice and quickly.

Soldiers react to ranged fire, when soldiers are fired upon they raise their shields to deflect the incoming arrows and also the Cavalry raise their shields too when they charge for the same reason. When you issue the order for a cohort to go into Testudo there's no time to go make a cup of Tea while the men organise themselves like you could in RTW, now when the order to Testudo is given the men snap to it and Testudo is formed within seconds, Testudo is very effective against ranged fire and gives great protection to the Legionaries.

Elephants, someone made a comment in a thread yesterday about how he was disappointed that the Elephants don't move their heads in combat like in the Cleopatra trailer, well they do trust me I was watching for this today and the Elephants are nasty pieces of work especially when they are fighting other Elephants, they swing their heads from side to side using their tusks to rip into the enemy and knock over men.

Units are very responsive, if you spot them quickly enough then it's quite possible to avoid "Al's burning balls" by ordering your men to run to the side out of their path -if you spot them early enough. Same in combat, units seem happier to disengage from the enemy a lot faster now and don't dither around trying to decide wherever they should follow your orders or do their own thing.

Naval combat

Ok I have to admit the most fun I had today was with the ships, naval combat in the demo is outstanding and quite a few times I just played with the ships and didn't bother with the land fight at all.

After playing Shogun 2 I couldn't believe how responsive the ships in Rome II are, you would think that with Shogun 2 being set some 1500 years in the future the ships would be faster and more manoeuvrable and that the ships in Rome II would be dull and boring but no it's the total opposite.

Because they are powered by rowers they are fast and quickly react to all orders given to them, they can turn really quickly and build up a fast rate of knots and get to ramming speed in a short space of time.

I spent most the battles ramming my ships into the enemy and boarding them, troop transports come in pairs with half an infantry unit in each ship, when you issue an order to one of the ships the other one follows the same order so you can't control them separately, if one of the ships get destroyed then the remaining ship comes under the players control and half the unit is lost.

Naval actions are fast and furious, if you ram an enemy ship, as soon as it hits it automatically starts reversing again ready for you to ram the enemy again if you want to. If you want to board the enemy ship (which both transports and artillery ships in the demo can do) then it will ram the enemy but this time instead of reversing it will stay impacted on the enemy and your soldiers all rush to the front and pour over the Bow onto the enemy ship, no drawn out grappling hook fiddleyness in this game simply ram into it and your men will immediately start to board (they don't all dive into the sea like in ETW/NTW either )

Likewise when your men land on the coast they don't dawdle, the ships beach themselves and instantly the men are jumping onto the sand, once the men are off the ship I did notice you have the option to re-board them again however I never tested that.

In the Cleopatra video the Egyptian flagship smashes right through an enemy ship and breaks it in two, I tried to do this all day but never managed it once however just before it was time to leave I was having a chat with one of the designers (ship designer of all people) and he asked me what I thought of the ship breaking in two animation and I told him I hadn't seen it properly because I've not managed to do it yet and blow me if he didn't start the battle up and proceed to smash straight through the middle of a Roman ship using just a bog standard Egyptian boat

I know there are some negative thoughts going around at the moment because people aren't liking some of the things they are seeing in the gameplay footage however I have to say after actually playing it it's a completely different experience from the impression those video's give, the sound effects are amazing, the music in this battle really suits the situation well and I found myself tapping the keyboard along with the theme, all in all if this demo is anything to go by then Rome II is going to be an amazing game.

I saw a lot more stuff but I'm afraid it's been a long day for me and I'm totally shattered and need sleep so I'll stop now.

Oh one last thing, the constant chatter of the men is hilarious when you are zoomed in on them, I heard one soldier scream "Bar-stards!" when an Egyptian Chariot ran into his unit and no word of a lie one of the soldiers on a boat actually uttered those immortal words "We're going to need a bigger boat" right at the start of one of my battles which totally made my day

[Johnny-24]

Neznam da li je bilo price o siframa. Ja iskreno nebi voleo da postoje sifre kao za Rome Total War 1..Vi.?

[JAZO]

Kakve to veze ima.Ako ih ne volis nemoj da ih koristis,sto te briga

[pentraksil]

JAZO kaže:

Kakve to veze ima.Ako ih ne volis nemoj da ih koristis,sto te briga

Upravo

[perablenta]

Postoje dve sifre koje cu pamtiti zauvek:
I see dead people. Greed is good.

Za total war nisam nikada video potrebe. Ima dovoljno nivoa tezine da svako nadje sebi ravan nivo. Mada bi bilo super da bude ponovo kao u Empire, da se tezina AI-a za mapu i bitke moze podesiti odvojeno.

[acaf]

Johnny-24 kaže:

Neznam da li je bilo price o siframa. Ja iskreno nebi voleo da postoje sifre kao za Rome Total War 1..Vi.?

Ne znam*
ne bih*

perablenta kaže:

Postoje dve sifre koje cu pamtiti zauvek:
I see dead people. Greed is good.

Good old Warcraft

[Leonida]

perablenta kaže:

Postoje dve sifre koje cu pamtiti zauvek:
I see dead people. Greed is good.

Za total war nisam nikada video potrebe. Ima dovoljno nivoa tezine da svako nadje sebi ravan nivo. Mada bi bilo super da bude ponovo kao u Empire, da se tezina AI-a za mapu i bitke moze podesiti odvojeno.

To je moglo i u Shogun 2.

[perablenta]

Leonida kaže:

To je moglo i u Shogun 2.

Ozbiljno? Jel mozda bilo iz opcija a ne kad se pocinje kampanja? Ili sam ja samo zaboravio, igrao sam samo jednu kampanju jos prosle godine, ostalo vreme sam proveo u MP-u.

[Dimo]

Moglo je i u originalnom R:TW i M2:TW, ali samo prije početka kampanje.

[perablenta]

Ovo cekanje Rome 2 me ubi, hoce li neko Co-OP kampanju u Shogunu 2?
moj steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/Spector-pera/

[JAZO]

Q:Will the battlefields take on the characteristics of the campaign map in this game like they did in RTW

A:Pawel kindly answered this a bit later in the show and yes they will and in fact they will be much better than they were in the last few games, in ETW/NTW when you fought a battle next to a mountain for example you might find there was no mountain on the battlefield but instead you were fighting in the middle of a plain, this was because the section of the campaign map you fought on was very much more magnified so it literally took the pixels you were standing on and recreated that as the battlefield rather than the general area so if you were on a flat spot on the side of the mountain you would only see that flat spot on the battlefield, in Rome II the battlefield will reflect the general area you are standing in rather than the specific spot which is much more like how the engine acted in RTW.

There is however one occasion where this rule will be bent slightly and that's when it comes to fleets being involved. If an army is fighting a battle close to the coast but not ON the coast and a fleet is close enough to support one of those armies then the game engine may introduce a coastline into that battlefield just to bring those ships into the battle -this is done for obvious game play purposes which I think we can all agree makes total sense.

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