Nelegalne kopije GNU/Linuxa

[Vladimiros]

Cisto onako pitam, da li su ljudi sa ovog foruma svesni da ako su kupili za sitne pare SuSE 10(ne openSuSE), Mandrivu(ne download edition), Xandros, i sl. da su to uradili nelegalno?

Do danas sam mislio da je savrseno ok kopirati bilo koji disto, ali to nije tako.

Gore pomenute distribucije su komercijalne sa propriatery softwareom i ako se PAZLJIVO procita licenca videcete da je nije dozvoljeno kopiranje, deljenje i sl.

Ovo se isto odnosi na igre koje je izdao Loki.

IMHO ovo bi trebalo naglasiti u sledecem broju SK-a.

[Miloš]

Постоји SuSE и још неке дистрибуције затвореног кода које је нелегално копирати. Међутим Slackware, openSuSE, Fedora Core, итд. је легално копирати и оне су издате под GNU GPL лиценцом.

[Vladimiros]

Na to sam i mislio, ali zaboravio da napisem.
Hvala na dopuni.

[Miloš]

Нимало ми се не свиђа комерцијализација Linuxa, јер он онда више није Linux. Али мислим да нико овде нема комерцијални Linux.

[brainZ]

Pre svega, nista od ovoga sto ste rekli nije tacno, ne postoji "Linux zatvorenog koda" (Linux je kernel pod GPL-om), postoje samo distribucije koje isporucuju neke vlasnicke programe, npr. Adobe Reader, Flash player, Real player, nVidijine/ATIjeve drajvere... i time ne postaju zabranjene za kopiranje jer su to slobodno dostupni programi. Uzasni Xandros dolazi sa sopstvenim vlasnickim aplikacijama - fajl menadzerom pre svega, i CrossOver Officeom - i Linspire/Turbo Linux sa licenciranim kodecima te je kopiranje zabranjeno. Medjutim, pogresno je mesati vlasnicki i komercijalni softver, komercijalno je sve sto se prodaje, bilo da je u pitanju slobodni ili neslobodni softver, a vlasnicki softver je onaj koji postavlja neprihvatljiva ogranicenja korisniku... Dakle, mozemo diskutovati da li je ubacivanje vlasnickog softvera koji dozvoljava redistribuciju dobro - imho, nije jer se korisniku time namece nesto kao 'added value' a sto on mozda ne zeli - ali komercijalizacija GNU/Linux distrbucija je svakako dobra, pa treba i ti ljudi neki 'leba da jedu

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/catego...ercialSoftware

Na izvor, po vodu

[Vladimiros]

Mandriva PowerPack koja cirkulise u zemljici Srbijici je izdata pod EULA-om koji ne dozvoljava ono sto se kod nas radi sa tom distribucijom.

Ta verzija se moze jedino kupiti ili download-ovati SAMO ako si clan Mandriva kluba...

A niko tebi ne brani da skines Mandriva Download Edition...(bez propriatery software-a)

To sam danas procitao na njihovom sajtu nakon ubedjivana od strane jednog ortaka.

Sad, but true...

Ovaj topic je napisan iz dobrih namera, a ne da bi jos i linux oduzeo kao opciju domacim korinicima.
Zbog ne znanja neki vlasnik firme koji je dobio tako neki "cool" linux koji sve ima i sam namesta za svoje komp-ove ce da popije kaznu zbog piraterije.

E sada mozda nisam lepo napisao ali:

Ignoratis Lex Note!
(Neznanje Zakona Steti)

[AxeZ]

Miloš kaže:

Нимало ми се не свиђа комерцијализација Linuxa, јер он онда више није Linux. Али мислим да нико овде нема комерцијални Linux.

Komercijalizacija je dobra stvar kao sto BrainZ rece.

[Vladimiros]

Predlog:
Sastaviti spisak "Free as in Freedom" distribucija i pod-distribucija i spisak komercijalnih(for money, not for redistibution) distribucija i pod-verzija.

Distro-watcher-i, da li biste nam ucinili cast?

[AxeZ]

Vladimiros kaže:

Predlog:
Sastaviti spisak "Free as in Freedom" distribucija i pod-distribucija i spisak komercijalnih(for money, not for redistibution) distribucija i pod-verzija.

Distro-watcher-i, da li biste nam ucinili cast?

Nema potrebe za spiskom, ima ga ovde>

http://distrowatch.com/

[brainZ]

Vladimiros kaže:

Mandriva PowerPack koja cirkulise u zemljici Srbijici je izdata pod EULA-om koji ne dozvoljava ono sto se kod nas radi sa tom distribucijom.

Ta verzija se moze jedino kupiti ili download-ovati SAMO ako si clan Mandriva kluba...

Molim te, postavi sporne EULA provisions da ih pogledamo, to sto se moze iskljucivo preuzeti uz clanstvo u Mdk Clubu ne znaci da je distribucija automatski vlasnicka... Nemam PowerPack da bih video da li stoji eksplicitna zabrana kopiranja i/ili redistribucije.

Edit: Sto se tice latinske izreke, mozda je Vladimiros mislio na

Ignorantia legis neminem excusat
(Nepoznavanje zakona ne moze biti izgovor (za njegovo krsenje))

[iurisvulgaris]

Apsolutno je netačno da je korišćenje i kopiranje distribucija sa vlasničkim softverom bilo kakva piraterija.Plaćanjem nekih distribucija dobijaju se određene usluge i podrška,a sam sistem se može koristiti besplatno i legalno.Vlasnički softver(Nvidia/ati drajveri,adobe reader,real player itd.) koji dolazi sa ovim distribucijama je takođe besplatan i za korišćenje i kopiranje.

[Vladimiros]

Ovo sto ovde pisem mozete naci na http://wwwnew.mandriva.com/en/company/legal_faq

1.Definitions
Download Products :

The Mandriva Linux Distributions that may be freely downloaded from our website and mirrors. These include (but are not restricted to) the "Mandrivalinux Download Edition" and "Mandralinux Move Download Edition".
Commercial Products :

The Mandriva Linux Distributions that are not available for free download and which are sold in retail, e-commerce, and directly by Mandriva its partners and distributors. These include (but are not restricted to) Discovery, Powerpack, Powerpack+, Corporate Server, Move, Multi Network Firewall, Mandrivaclustering, Mandriva Linux for PPC, and Mandrivalinux for AMD64.
Free Software/Open Source Software :

"Free software" (or "Open Source Software") refers to the users' freedom to use, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software by following particular and well-defined licensing rules. For further details, refer to:
html,http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html,
http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php

GPL :

The General Public License is a Free Software license.
For further details see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html.

[Vladimiros]

2.What licensing model does Mandriva Linux follow?

All code developed and distributed by Mandriva is released under the General Public License or equivalent. Mandriva Download Edition products only include software covered by a Free Software/Open Source license. Mandriva Commercial products include proprietary third-party software products, which contain their own licensing models.

3.What is the difference between the Download Products License and the Commercial Products License?

Both products are ruled by Open Source licenses. The difference is not the license of our products, but the licenses of third party software contained in the commercial distributions. Download Products only include components licensed under a Free Software/Open Source License. Commercial Products may also include software add-ons which are covered by a proprietary license which often prevents free copying and redistribution of the product.

4.Do third party software products have their own licensing models?

Yes. Third party software included in our Commercial products may be demonstration versions (e.g. Kaspersky, Crossover Office...), time limited versions, or versions that require a key to be activated, or freeware which retain a proprietary license. Please consult the appropriate instructions in each software package for complete licensing terms.

[Vladimiros]

6.Can I distribute Download Products?

/a Yes, it is permissible to copy and distribute Download products. In any case, the following notice must appear clearly and distinctively: This product is the Mandriva Linux Distribution known as « Mandrivalinux Download Edition » or "Mandriva Linux Move Download Edition" (or any other freely downloadable Mandriva product name). Commercial products such as "Mandriva Linux Powerpack Edition" (or "Mandrivalinux Move" or other derivative) include more features than the Download Edition such as commercial add-ons and third-party software. Commercial products also provide documentation and access to Mandriva services such as support. Download editions may be freely downloaded via the Internet at the following location:
( http://www.mandrivalinux.com/en/ftp.php3).
If you find this product useful, please support our efforts and join Mandriva Club by visiting the on-line club page:
http://www.mandrivalinux.com/en/club/


7.Can I distribute Commercial Products for free?

No. Certain third party software, not governed by a free software license, is bundled with commercial products. Additionally, you may not use the Mandriva name, trademarks and logos (which is our business responsibility to protect), without prior agreement.

[Vladimiros]

8.I am a Mandriva Club Member. Can I distribute "Power Pack", "Power Pack+", "Mandriva Linux Move", "AMD64 Edition" or "Power Pack DVD Edition" Mandrivalinux versions that I downloaded as a Member of Mandriva Club?

No. These products contain third party software which are covered by proprietary licenses and are thus not redistributable. Additionally, these are premium products offered to Club members as part of their subscription. Thus, they are not intended to be freely distributed. However, if you wish to become a Mandriva distributor, we would gladly welcome you as a Mandrivasoft Partner and establish a win/win agreement. See our Partner Page.

Zakljucak, Mandriva PowerPack koji kod nas cirkulise je piratska kopija.
Ako neko cirkulise Mandriva Download Edition onda je to ok.

[brainZ]

Vladimiros kaže:

3.What is the difference between the Download Products License and the Commercial Products License?

Both products are ruled by Open Source licenses. The difference is not the license of our products, but the licenses of third party software contained in the commercial distributions. Download Products only include components licensed under a Free Software/Open Source License. Commercial Products may also include software add-ons which are covered by a proprietary license which often prevents free copying and redistribution of the product.

Malo mi je sve ovo nedoreceno. Ok, na kraju kazu da PowerPack i ekipa nisu za slobodnu (re)distribuciju, ali takodje pouzdano znam da se recimo nvidijini 3d drajveri i Adobe Reader mogu slobodno pakovati u distroe, pa postoji gomila drugih, potpuno besplatnih distroa koji isporucuju ove programe. E sada, ako pakuju i CrossOver Office ili Cedegu ili neki program koji se mora platiti , onda kopiranje i deljenje nije dozvoljeno.

Takodje, Vladimirose, zamolio bih te da ne koristis izraz 'piratski', sto je M$/korporativni hate speech kojim pokusavaju da digitalno dupliciranje izjednace sa napadanjem i pljackom broda uz ubijanje citave posade. 'Nelegalna kopija' je sasvim dovoljno, mislim da u nasoj zajednici nema mesta za recnik pohlepnih, monopolistickih kompanija...

[Vladimiros]

Takodje, Vladimirose, zamolio bih te da ne koristis izraz 'piratski', sto je M$/korporativni hate speech kojim pokusavaju da digitalno dupliciranje izjednace sa napadanjem i pljackom broda uz ubijanje citave posade. 'Nelegalna kopija' je sasvim dovoljno, mislim da u nasoj zajednici nema mesta za recnik pohlepnih, monopolistickih kompanija...

I stand corrected.

za urketa: molim te promeni naziv topic-a.

[brainZ]

Vladimiros kaže:

I stand corrected.

za urketa: molim te promeni naziv topic-a.

I thank thee, valiant soldier

[Vladimiros]

Urke, oce li biti reci o ovome u SK-u?

[bobzilla]

Bilo bi interesantno pogledati ograničenja koja postavlja vlasnički softver... Kakvi su uslovi distribucije Flasha, Opere, kodeka, NVidia drivera, Intel536 drivera, Lucentovih drivera... Izneo sam primer samo najcesce koriscenih vlasnickih komponenti...