nV GF 8300GS/GT i 8600GT/Ultra

[Dusan Despotovic]

http://www.benchmark.co.yu/modules.p...icle&sid=12307

[PAIN]

Krajnje zanimljivo.Ako bude cena Ultre kao sto je bilo kod 7600gt onda blago nama.Ajde da malo i ja doprinesem. HardForum

EDIT:

CAUTION
There is speculation this MAY not be DX10. The way i interpret it, means it doesnt have any DX10 games and it will be similar to 7600gt until DX10 comes out, but thats not for sure.

High End Market

GeForce 8800 Series （GeForce 8900 Series）——R600（fluctuating release date） (Other sources than this article indicate March)

Mid End Market

GeForce 8600Ultra——Radeon X1950XT（RV670 release date is 2007 Q3 or later）

GeForce 8600GT——Radeon X1950Pro（RV630 release date May?）

GeForce 7600GT——Radeon X1650XT

GeForce 7600GS——Radeon X1650Pro、Radeon X1300XT

Low-End Market

GeForce 8300GT——RV610 series (2007 May?） Radeon X1650Pro

GeForce 8300GS——RV610 Series

GeForce 7300GT——Radeon X1300XT、Radeon X1600Pro、XT、Radeon X1550

[zokocx]

Ako bude 8600Ultra sa 512MB mnogo bolja (mora da bude) od 7900GTO onda je to moja prva DX10 kupovina ili ako se nenadje nesto izmedju 8600 i 8800

[nikola87]

TTTooooo napokon neke informacije o 8600,evo krenuse mi suze,stvarno sam odusevljen.
Svaka cast Dusanu Despotovicu i PAIN-u na informacijama.

[volf]

Da li ce ovo biti za agp?

[Nicolas]

Male sanse, nadaj se da nece mada ja verujem da ce neki model nekog proizvodjaca izaci i za agp - i to mozda.

[Dusan Despotovic]

NikolaS kaže:

Male sanse, nadaj se da nece mada ja verujem da ce neki model nekog proizvodjaca izaci i za agp - i to mozda.

Sto da ne bude sa AGP-om.Skoro je izasla 8800 GS sa AGP-omIzaci ce i 8600 i 8300 agp serija ja verujem

[Nergal]

Dokle god bude mnogo korisnika sa AGP pločama neko će proizvoditi i AGP kartice. Pre godinu i po dana su svi mislili da će srednji i jači modeli GF 7000 i X1000 serija doći samo za PCI-E i svi su pogrešili. Pošto se pojavio AGP 8800GTS onda će sigurno doći i slabije kartice za AGP a ako je to uradila nVidia, moraće i ATI.

Samo, meni sve to izgleda kao produžavanje samrtnih muka. Svako će kad-tad morati da pređe na PCI-E i uštedeće mnogo para ako to uradi ranije. Koliko će ove nove AGP karte biti skuplje od PCI-E varijanti? Ja mislim bar jedno 30%.

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Original site

Chinese Site kaže:

I believe that most of the readers care about the GeForce 8600 series and and GeForce 7600 far more than the GeForce 8800 series. Afterall, these are the series that we are able afford. The word from Nvidia is that: The preparation of the GeForce 8600 series has been complete, however they will not announce it right now. The release date of the series will be announced when related AMD products are announced.

Currently, the majority of the the Nvidia video market are GeForce 7600GT and 7900GS. These two models are already Vista Approved. Therefore the GeForce 8600 series will not be released for a awhile due to their competitive price. Of course, the release of the GeForce 8600 series will result a dramatic difference in game play (DX10 Improvements) (if the series does not support DX10, then the it'll only be a difference of FPS but no improvement in graphics)

From our sources: GeForce 8600 has 2 models, GeForce 8600Ultra and GeForce 8600GT. The pricing of these models will be similar to the GeForce 7900GS and 7600GT. Specifications as follows:

--------------------------GeForce 8600Ultra-------GeForce 8600GT
Fabrication Process-----------80nm------------------80nm
Number of Transistors---------------Around 300 million
Stream Processors------------64---------------------48
Core Clock Max--------------500MHz-----------------350MHz
Memory Clock---------------1400MHz----------------1200MHz
Bus Width--------------------------------256bit
Memory Size----------------256/512MB--------------128/256MB
Estimated Retail Price--------$179USD---------------$149USD

From the specification table, we see that the difference between the G83 and G73 varies greatly. The two models differ by number of stream processors. In addition the GeForce 8600GT clock is much lower than the Ultra. The models both have a fabrication process of 80nm. Whether or not 65nm process will be used still remains unknown.

Also, in 2007 GeForce 8600 series and GeForce 7600 series will co-exist for awhile. On one hand, it is to clear the stock of 7600. On the other hand, 8600 series comparatively will not have a high price.

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GeForce 7300GT will Continue to Shine

High-end to mid-range video cards are for game enthusiasts. Now we discuss the lower end.

GeForce 7300GT will continue to be sold until the third quarter of 2007. The authors agrees and the reasons are as follows:

1. GeForce 7300GT is the minimum requirement for gaming under Vista. Although GeForce 7100GS and 7300GS, LE can all run Vista, the FPS of the games will be greatly affected.

2. Nvida's largest production of low-end cards is the GeForce 7300GT. On the market, it is the king of low-end cards. They are the main buyers for places like internet cafes and cyber stations.

3. GeForce 7300GT is cheap, thus more people know it.

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Chinese Site kaže:

GeForce 7300GT is very popular. Nvidia has long left the era of the G73 chip, however the mass production of the GeForce 7300GT CPU still remains. However as time goes on, more people awaits the arrival of DX10 cards. Nvidia will soon have the GeForce 7300GT equivalent of DX10.

Will GeForce 8300GT hold up to the name of 7300GT?

This is still the Nvidia's DX10 series, GeForce 8300 series. GeForce 8300 series has 2 models: GeForce 8300GT and GeForce 8300GS. Specification as follows:

--------------------------GeForce 8300GT-------GeForce 8300GS
Fabrication Process----------80nm-------------------80nm
Number of Transistors---------------Around 170 million
Stream Processors------------32---------------------24
Core Clock Max---------------500MHz----------------500MHz
Memory Clock----------------1200MHz---------------1000MHz
Bus Width-------------------------------128bit
Memory Size-----------------256/512MB-------------128/256MB
Estimated Retail Price--------$89-99USD--------------$69-79USD

Obviously, Nvidia wants to continue the legacy of GeForce 7300GT. GeForce 8300GT has 32 stream processors, and based on 80nm process. In the meantime, Nvidia's 65nm process may already be in production. Will the GeForce 8300GT hold up to the title of 7300 series? We'll just have to wait and see.

Drugi deo texta, pozajmi sam prevod sa jednog foruma.

[nikola87]

Nije mi jasno hoce li 8600 podrzavati dx10 ili nece.

[optimus_prime]

Cool, jos samo da vidimo sta ce ATI da izbaci. Dace bog da bude nesto dobro, Nvidiu koristim silom prilike. Mada, ove 8600 ulivaju poverenje.

[PAIN]

optimus_prime kaže:

Cool, jos samo da vidimo sta ce ATI da izbaci. Dace bog da bude nesto dobro, Nvidiu koristim silom prilike. Mada, ove 8600 ulivaju poverenje.

Bio sam par foruma i svi tvrde da nece biti podrske.Cak i jedan kinez koji je bas i napisao ovaj text kaze da je to vec 100% sigurno.Takodje on tvrdi da ce karta biti iste brzine kao 7900GTO(def).Samo karta ce trositi manje stuje i bice dosta manja.

[nikola87]

I predpostavio sam da ce biti brza koliko i 7900gto.Znaci izgleda da ne vredi cekati 8600.Verovatno su sada da kupim taj 7900gto ili 1950pro.
Mada da sacekamo mi jos malo da vidimo mozda dodje do nekog obrta...
Mozda je to fora da mi svi pokupujemo ove stare i da ispraznimo lagere a tek onda ce da izbace neu varijntu sa dx10 podrskom,a i verovatno cekaju da vide odgovor ATi-ja.

[Br@n@c]

E onda j*bes 8600 serije kad ne podrzavaju DX10.j*bem ti NVIDIU

[darthmajor]

Ne razumem se preterano u ovu temu, ali zar to da za 8xxx kartice navode Stream Processor-e a ne pixel i vertex shader jedinice ne ukazuje na to da ima Unified Shader arhitekturu? A mislio sam da to vec implicitno znaci DX10 podrsku...a i ne izgleda logicno da NVIDIA razvije novu arhitekturu a da je ne upotrebljava.

[zokocx]

Kako to da srednja i niza klasa ne podrzavaju DX10, sta onda podrzavaju???
Ako imaju unifide shadere onda imaju glavni uslov za DX10.

[Maverick78]

darthmajor kaže:

Ne razumem se preterano u ovu temu, ali zar to da za 8xxx kartice navode Stream Processor-e a ne pixel i vertex shader jedinice ne ukazuje na to da ima Unified Shader arhitekturu? A mislio sam da to vec implicitno znaci DX10 podrsku...a i ne izgleda logicno da NVIDIA razvije novu arhitekturu a da je ne upotrebljava.

Da i isto tako ne kontam zasto bi nVidia izbacivala kartice,eto npr. 8600gt,koja je slicna ili eto jeste brza od 7600gt,ali da ne podrzava DX10.... mislim da sa tim potezom ustvari nista posebno ne bi uradili.Najvjerovatnije da su to spekulacije i da ce najvjerovatnije te karte podrzavati DX10,trebala bi cjela ova serija 8 da bude DX10 ready.

[Nicolas]

Sigurno ce podrzavati DX10, ako ne uskoro onda u dogledno vreme, mislim na seriju 8000. Po mojoj proceni!

[nikola87]

Maverick78 kaže:

Da i isto tako ne kontam zasto bi nVidia izbacivala kartice,eto npr. 8600gt,koja je slicna ili eto jeste brza od 7600gt,ali da ne podrzava DX10.... mislim da sa tim potezom ustvari nista posebno ne bi uradili.Najvjerovatnije da su to spekulacije i da ce najvjerovatnije te karte podrzavati DX10,trebala bi cjela ova serija 8 da bude DX10 ready.

8600gt ce biti jak koliko i 7900gto sto se moglo i predpostaviti stim sto ja mislim da je nepodrzavanje dx10 posledica velike kolicine kartica serije 7,pa ako bi serija 8 startovala sa 180E za ultra varijantu to bi znacilo kraj za seriju 7 i veliki gubitak za nvidiu.Cim se prodaju graficke seije7 bice uvedena podrska za dx10.
Napominjem da ovo nisam procitao ni na jednom forumu vec je to neko moje misljenje .